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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.cleverdude.com/content/citibank-wants-me-to-use-their-money-to-make-more-money/comment-page-1/#comment-33653</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I notice that 100 percent of the time the people who naysay credit card arbitrage are the ones who have never done it, and yet they claim to have loads of opinions and experience as to why it is not worth it.

Only the people who have tried it are the ones that are truly able to give useful advice. Most seem to be successful - I have rarely ever heard of someone failing with credit card arbitrage, I only hear success stories. Yet, usually people tell us bad news, not good news!

On the other hand, as more and more people publicly brag about their credit card arbitrage, the more the companies will catch on. At one time, this credit card arbitrage was a secret schemed up in homes by geniuses.. now it is public information. Not so intelligent to publicly admit and brag about it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I notice that 100 percent of the time the people who naysay credit card arbitrage are the ones who have never done it, and yet they claim to have loads of opinions and experience as to why it is not worth it.</p>
<p>Only the people who have tried it are the ones that are truly able to give useful advice. Most seem to be successful &#8211; I have rarely ever heard of someone failing with credit card arbitrage, I only hear success stories. Yet, usually people tell us bad news, not good news!</p>
<p>On the other hand, as more and more people publicly brag about their credit card arbitrage, the more the companies will catch on. At one time, this credit card arbitrage was a secret schemed up in homes by geniuses.. now it is public information. Not so intelligent to publicly admit and brag about it!</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kitty,

I agree with your comment re: unsecured credit card debt is not the worst debt.   

Dude,

Really enjoyed your yard sale comment.  I acknowledge there is some degree of risk, but it&#039;s very minimal.  I&#039;ve done this is in the past and have never had an issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kitty,</p>
<p>I agree with your comment re: unsecured credit card debt is not the worst debt.   </p>
<p>Dude,</p>
<p>Really enjoyed your yard sale comment.  I acknowledge there is some degree of risk, but it&#8217;s very minimal.  I&#8217;ve done this is in the past and have never had an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: kitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bit too much of a hustle to me for too small a gain, but I did entertain the idea for a while as it sounds like fun. I don&#039;t see much risk as long as everything is automated and money is available. Paying off the car would only make sense if you were absolutely sure you could save the same amount within 0% period or if you could be 100% sure you could transfer the rest to another 0% offer at the end. But it is a bit of a risk.

&quot;Why not invest 10-20% of it in a mutual fund, another 10-20% to your retirement fund and whatever is left to your savings fund?&quot;
Yes, and you could also take it to Las Vegas in hope of tripling the money...
Dude covered it in the post. It is kind of obvious. You need the money within a year to repay everything. Who knows where the market will be in a year? 

&quot;and credit card is the worst debt anyway!&quot;
I wouldn&#039;t go that far. Maybe in terms of interest rate and also in terms of stupidity involved in buying more than one can afford. But if you look from the point of view of what can happen in case of default, other things would be more unpleasant. Personally, I&#039;d put IRS at the top. Credit cards carry high rates, but it is an unsecured debt that can be discharged in bankrupcy. Not so with government. Also while mortgage may be considered &quot;good debt&quot;, if one takes more than what one can afford, one can lose a home. 
Disclaimer: no personal experience with debt other than boring 30 year fixed mortgage that is paid off and a car loan on my very first new car paid off ages ago. But this is pretty much what I&#039;ve heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bit too much of a hustle to me for too small a gain, but I did entertain the idea for a while as it sounds like fun. I don&#8217;t see much risk as long as everything is automated and money is available. Paying off the car would only make sense if you were absolutely sure you could save the same amount within 0% period or if you could be 100% sure you could transfer the rest to another 0% offer at the end. But it is a bit of a risk.</p>
<p>&#8220;Why not invest 10-20% of it in a mutual fund, another 10-20% to your retirement fund and whatever is left to your savings fund?&#8221;<br />
Yes, and you could also take it to Las Vegas in hope of tripling the money&#8230;<br />
Dude covered it in the post. It is kind of obvious. You need the money within a year to repay everything. Who knows where the market will be in a year? </p>
<p>&#8220;and credit card is the worst debt anyway!&#8221;<br />
I wouldn&#8217;t go that far. Maybe in terms of interest rate and also in terms of stupidity involved in buying more than one can afford. But if you look from the point of view of what can happen in case of default, other things would be more unpleasant. Personally, I&#8217;d put IRS at the top. Credit cards carry high rates, but it is an unsecured debt that can be discharged in bankrupcy. Not so with government. Also while mortgage may be considered &#8220;good debt&#8221;, if one takes more than what one can afford, one can lose a home.<br />
Disclaimer: no personal experience with debt other than boring 30 year fixed mortgage that is paid off and a car loan on my very first new car paid off ages ago. But this is pretty much what I&#8217;ve heard.</p>
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		<title>By: Clever Dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clever Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Scott, they actually sent me a checked filled out to me directly. I tend to just shred any checks sent to me before even reading the offers (as to avoid temptation).

I get an eBill through Bank of America from Citibank, so I&#039;ll definitely pay on time. I also have notifications via Quicken, which I check daily, so I won&#039;t miss those either.

This is the first arbitration where I&#039;m sticking it in the bank. The last one (linked to in this article) was used to avoid paying interest on our car loan by paying it off early (then paying off the credit card before the special rate ended).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Scott, they actually sent me a checked filled out to me directly. I tend to just shred any checks sent to me before even reading the offers (as to avoid temptation).</p>
<p>I get an eBill through Bank of America from Citibank, so I&#8217;ll definitely pay on time. I also have notifications via Quicken, which I check daily, so I won&#8217;t miss those either.</p>
<p>This is the first arbitration where I&#8217;m sticking it in the bank. The last one (linked to in this article) was used to avoid paying interest on our car loan by paying it off early (then paying off the credit card before the special rate ended).</p>
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		<title>By: Scott @ The Passive Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott @ The Passive Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you have to have a credit card balance to take advantage of these 0% CC transfers, or do you just utilize the checks?  I would imagine you also watch the grace periods and make sure you payoff early so as to not receive any fees or penalties.  I would really worry about those fees.  How much have you made through this arbitrage process?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have to have a credit card balance to take advantage of these 0% CC transfers, or do you just utilize the checks?  I would imagine you also watch the grace periods and make sure you payoff early so as to not receive any fees or penalties.  I would really worry about those fees.  How much have you made through this arbitrage process?</p>
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		<title>By: Top CD Rates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Top CD Rates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just don&#039;t like that much risk.  I recently thought I had made an on-line payment, but the system didn&#039;t record it and I didn&#039;t write down the confirm notice.  The next think I know the interest went from about 6.8% to 23%.  After a few phone calls they reversed it.  After all, I could just move the balance.  But, still it only takes one boo-boo.  Anyway, I wouldn&#039;t recommend it unless you are extremely diligent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just don&#8217;t like that much risk.  I recently thought I had made an on-line payment, but the system didn&#8217;t record it and I didn&#8217;t write down the confirm notice.  The next think I know the interest went from about 6.8% to 23%.  After a few phone calls they reversed it.  After all, I could just move the balance.  But, still it only takes one boo-boo.  Anyway, I wouldn&#8217;t recommend it unless you are extremely diligent.</p>
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		<title>By: F2O</title>
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		<dc:creator>F2O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wrapped up one of these this past month from Citi.  It was the first time I tried it and to be honest, it was a lot less work than I thought it would be.  My deal was one of the old 0%, no fee BTs for 12 months from the transfer.  I ended up taking $21,500 of Citi&#039;s money and putting it in HSBC in late August 2007.  My monthly payments were in the $320 range in the beginning and dropped to the $280s by the end (I paid off the balance in July to avoid any overlap issues).  I haven&#039;t run the numbers but I probably made around $1000 before taxes.  Not too bad for about 30 seconds of work a month.  In fact, I just received two more offers from Chase and BOA on old unused cards this week so it looks like I&#039;ll be jumping in again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wrapped up one of these this past month from Citi.  It was the first time I tried it and to be honest, it was a lot less work than I thought it would be.  My deal was one of the old 0%, no fee BTs for 12 months from the transfer.  I ended up taking $21,500 of Citi&#8217;s money and putting it in HSBC in late August 2007.  My monthly payments were in the $320 range in the beginning and dropped to the $280s by the end (I paid off the balance in July to avoid any overlap issues).  I haven&#8217;t run the numbers but I probably made around $1000 before taxes.  Not too bad for about 30 seconds of work a month.  In fact, I just received two more offers from Chase and BOA on old unused cards this week so it looks like I&#8217;ll be jumping in again.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude,

Why not invest 10-20% of it in a mutual fund, another 10-20% to your retirement fund and whatever is left to your savings fund?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude,</p>
<p>Why not invest 10-20% of it in a mutual fund, another 10-20% to your retirement fund and whatever is left to your savings fund?</p>
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		<title>By: jiggypete</title>
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		<dc:creator>jiggypete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cleverdude,

I don&#039;t know that it is bashing...it just doesn&#039;t seem like the best use of the money in my opinion.  One misstep and the risks outweigh the rewards.

Angie,

That makes complete sense.  If you can swing the payments for 7 months and have the vehicle paid of at 0% interest you are far better off than &quot;investing&quot; the money.  Talk about a calculated risk.  I&#039;d say the pros outweigh the cons on that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cleverdude,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know that it is bashing&#8230;it just doesn&#8217;t seem like the best use of the money in my opinion.  One misstep and the risks outweigh the rewards.</p>
<p>Angie,</p>
<p>That makes complete sense.  If you can swing the payments for 7 months and have the vehicle paid of at 0% interest you are far better off than &#8220;investing&#8221; the money.  Talk about a calculated risk.  I&#8217;d say the pros outweigh the cons on that one.</p>
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		<title>By: jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy, it doesn&#039;t seem like bashing, just risk adversity. Different strokes, different folks. 
BTW, yard sales can be as much a social event as for sales ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, it doesn&#8217;t seem like bashing, just risk adversity. Different strokes, different folks.<br />
BTW, yard sales can be as much a social event as for sales <img src='http://www.cleverdude.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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