Comments on: Accepting Defeat by the Heavy Hand of the Law http://www.cleverdude.com/content/accepting-defeat-by-the-heavy-hand-of-the-law/ Family, Marriage, Finances & Life Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:09:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Barry http://www.cleverdude.com/content/accepting-defeat-by-the-heavy-hand-of-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-39809 Barry Fri, 08 May 2009 03:23:41 +0000 http://www.cleverdude.com/?p=1066#comment-39809 Screw that, .50 cents is too much to pay these fundraising stooges. Speed/redlight cameras are nothing more than a taxation without representation scheme fomented by the lowest class of humanity (politicians) on an unwitting victim populace of motorists. That smarmy class of politicians have already profited greatly from the camera lobbiests padding thier coffers with campaign donations and special interest monies to their friends and allies. Screw that, .50 cents is too much to pay these fundraising stooges.
Speed/redlight cameras are nothing more than a taxation without representation scheme fomented by the lowest class of humanity (politicians) on an unwitting victim populace of motorists.
That smarmy class of politicians have already profited greatly from the camera lobbiests padding thier coffers with campaign donations and special interest monies to their friends and allies.

]]> By: CleverDudette http://www.cleverdude.com/content/accepting-defeat-by-the-heavy-hand-of-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-28135 CleverDudette Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:09:15 +0000 http://www.cleverdude.com/?p=1066#comment-28135 You know how some people can always do bad things and never get caught? No, me, the ONE time I ever go through a red light (and yes the box truck did block my view; you can see it on the photo), I get caught!!! See, it does pay to be a goody two shoes. Or in this case, you have to pay if you're not! You know how some people can always do bad things and never get caught? No, me, the ONE time I ever go through a red light (and yes the box truck did block my view; you can see it on the photo), I get caught!!! See, it does pay to be a goody two shoes. Or in this case, you have to pay if you’re not!

]]> By: praveen http://www.cleverdude.com/content/accepting-defeat-by-the-heavy-hand-of-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-28132 praveen Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:11:48 +0000 http://www.cleverdude.com/?p=1066#comment-28132 I would say fight the ticket ! Not fighting will only encourage more red-light and speeding camera..and lo behold, all citizens would have to sign up for automatic-deduction from their checking account as this will save time, money for the county/city.... You run thro' the red light, you pay instantly and there is no pain! ever... I would say fight the ticket !

Not fighting will only encourage more red-light and speeding camera..and lo behold, all citizens would have to sign up for automatic-deduction from their checking account as this will save time, money for the county/city….

You run thro’ the red light, you pay instantly and there is no pain! ever…

]]> By: Paul Sapiano http://www.cleverdude.com/content/accepting-defeat-by-the-heavy-hand-of-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-28106 Paul Sapiano Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:25:09 +0000 http://www.cleverdude.com/?p=1066#comment-28106 WOW! $75, that's a bargain. Here in San Diego, you would be paying $380 plus!! I'd just pay the $75. WOW! $75, that’s a bargain. Here in San Diego, you would be paying $380 plus!! I’d just pay the $75.

]]> By: plonkee http://www.cleverdude.com/content/accepting-defeat-by-the-heavy-hand-of-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-28027 plonkee Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:03:45 +0000 http://www.cleverdude.com/?p=1066#comment-28027 I say pay it. It's a legitimate ticket, and since I've been nearly knocked over by people jumping red lights I'm a lot less sympathetic anyway. Speeding tickets should also be paid - the speed limit is posted, and if you have a licence you should know the rules. I say pay it. It’s a legitimate ticket, and since I’ve been nearly knocked over by people jumping red lights I’m a lot less sympathetic anyway. Speeding tickets should also be paid – the speed limit is posted, and if you have a licence you should know the rules.

]]> By: fern http://www.cleverdude.com/content/accepting-defeat-by-the-heavy-hand-of-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-28017 fern Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:45:03 +0000 http://www.cleverdude.com/?p=1066#comment-28017 why is there even a question? you already admitted it was a legitimate ticket. You should pay it. why is there even a question? you already admitted it was a legitimate ticket. You should pay it.

]]> By: Clever Dude http://www.cleverdude.com/content/accepting-defeat-by-the-heavy-hand-of-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-28010 Clever Dude Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:18:51 +0000 http://www.cleverdude.com/?p=1066#comment-28010 As some commenters said, rear-end collisions do rise significantly when a new camera is installed, but they lessen with time. Sure, it sucks for the people who get rear-ended, but why are they not paying attention and slowing down for a yellow? When I got my license, that's what the state laws told me was a proper reaction to yellow: slow down. I don't see problems at the many local intersections now that we've had cameras for a year or two (or has it been longer?). People slow and stop when they see yellow. The key is (and this probably only applies to cities that have this) is to keep a lookout for the pedestrian walk signal. If it's flashing red, then you probably need to slow down because the light will change soon. As some commenters said, rear-end collisions do rise significantly when a new camera is installed, but they lessen with time. Sure, it sucks for the people who get rear-ended, but why are they not paying attention and slowing down for a yellow? When I got my license, that’s what the state laws told me was a proper reaction to yellow: slow down.

I don’t see problems at the many local intersections now that we’ve had cameras for a year or two (or has it been longer?). People slow and stop when they see yellow. The key is (and this probably only applies to cities that have this) is to keep a lookout for the pedestrian walk signal. If it’s flashing red, then you probably need to slow down because the light will change soon.

]]> By: Richard at Student Scrooge http://www.cleverdude.com/content/accepting-defeat-by-the-heavy-hand-of-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-28009 Richard at Student Scrooge Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:13:37 +0000 http://www.cleverdude.com/?p=1066#comment-28009 I think your reasons for paying the ticket are very sound -- it was, as you note, a legitimate ticket, but more importantly, it doesn't go on your driving record. $75 is not too high a price to pay, and you'd likely have to spend some of your valuable time trying to fight it. I've gone back and forth on how I feel about these red light cameras -- we recently had some put in around here.... I think we've all been in situations where someone running a red light has almost caused an accident. In many ways, it seems like red light cameras serve a bigger public interest than seat belt laws. I'm curious to see the effect over time after people get accustomed to having these around. I think your reasons for paying the ticket are very sound — it was, as you note, a legitimate ticket, but more importantly, it doesn’t go on your driving record. $75 is not too high a price to pay, and you’d likely have to spend some of your valuable time trying to fight it.

I’ve gone back and forth on how I feel about these red light cameras — we recently had some put in around here…. I think we’ve all been in situations where someone running a red light has almost caused an accident. In many ways, it seems like red light cameras serve a bigger public interest than seat belt laws. I’m curious to see the effect over time after people get accustomed to having these around.

]]> By: MoneyGrubbingLawyer http://www.cleverdude.com/content/accepting-defeat-by-the-heavy-hand-of-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-28003 MoneyGrubbingLawyer Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:16:57 +0000 http://www.cleverdude.com/?p=1066#comment-28003 Fight it! :) I have fought A LOT of traffic tickets, both professionally (as a law student) and personally (as a bad driver). I have also seen the prosecution side of traffic tickets, and this is why I say fight EVERYTHING. If you go in and speak to the prosecutor before trial, you will <i>almost always</i> be able to bargain a lower offence / fine. Trust me, an offer will be made. In your case, as there are no points so it's not a big deal, but you can use this approach to reduce or eliminate points very easily. I commend you for taking responsibility for the ticket rather than spouting off with "OMGWTF evil big brother" stuff. But if you want to save a few bucks, go for a plea bargain :) Fight it! :)

I have fought A LOT of traffic tickets, both professionally (as a law student) and personally (as a bad driver). I have also seen the prosecution side of traffic tickets, and this is why I say fight EVERYTHING.

If you go in and speak to the prosecutor before trial, you will almost always be able to bargain a lower offence / fine. Trust me, an offer will be made. In your case, as there are no points so it’s not a big deal, but you can use this approach to reduce or eliminate points very easily.

I commend you for taking responsibility for the ticket rather than spouting off with “OMGWTF evil big brother” stuff. But if you want to save a few bucks, go for a plea bargain :)

]]> By: chris http://www.cleverdude.com/content/accepting-defeat-by-the-heavy-hand-of-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-27999 chris Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:48:15 +0000 http://www.cleverdude.com/?p=1066#comment-27999 we need those cameras to help fight terrorists :P i say if you still lived up here to fight it, but the cost of gas, just mail it in. to give an example of how old-people-pandering this city is...we had an old person make a restraunt a "drive thru" by driving her car right through the side of the building, and nothing happens to her... and the worst one was... a couple years ago, someone disposed of a chemical munition into a local river, it exploded and made kids from two local high schools extremely sick. the cops started a manhunt because they wanted to put this person in jail. ...then an old man came forward and said it was from ww2, and wanted to get rid of it...needless to say, nothing happened. so to recap. if you drive under 20miles an hour in pennsyltucky, and you are old, you are safe. if you are trying to pass said old person, then you are going to get fined. /rant off we need those cameras to help fight terrorists :P

i say if you still lived up here to fight it, but the cost of gas, just mail it in.

to give an example of how old-people-pandering this city is…we had an old person make a restraunt a “drive thru” by driving her car right through the side of the building, and nothing happens to her…

and the worst one was…

a couple years ago, someone disposed of a chemical munition into a local river, it exploded and made kids from two local high schools extremely sick. the cops started a manhunt because they wanted to put this person in jail.

…then an old man came forward and said it was from ww2, and wanted to get rid of it…needless to say, nothing happened.

so to recap. if you drive under 20miles an hour in pennsyltucky, and you are old, you are safe. if you are trying to pass said old person, then you are going to get fined.

/rant off

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